Mangina to Mangina

• up front: you won't believe this but I like you. you transition, you are open, you are non-groupish... so it pained me you were such an emotionally driven irrationalist in this video.  It saddened me.  I hope I don't make you so butthurt at the end of this video that you come up with more paranoid fantasies about what I'm about.  Otoh, we'll just have to find out, eh?
• One thing I like is that you give me a lot of credit... too much actually, to the point of paranoia, but it shows you think there is stage craft and planning, careful manipulation in my work, and as an improvisationalist, this is one thing I want to project into my videos, the sense that there is a re aon, somehow.  That it is to accomplish something.  Then, under the window of that impression, I can admit why I'm really hear without guilt... cause truth is, I feel guilty about the fact I am NOT trying to convince you.  I don't see the point, you don't seem like a bunch of power brokers to me.  What I'm trying to do is collect information, formalize what I can formalize, and ensure I have a good sample to study. It's terribly self serving, but luckilly no one will believe that, they assume I must be trying to convince them... cause, you know, they're special.
• Late in the video you ask why I want to make it only about women.  I don't.  You even play parts of my video where I say I'm into trying to do gender activism in a paired way, both genders at a time... not equality, but equity, like breast cancer and prostate cancer research, balance them, integrate them as  each-gender-needs-some-things-the-other-doesn't. You are making shit up.  Shut up.  What REALLY happened is all yall are bad mouthing all people that consider themselves feminist, you are bad mouthing anyone that focusses on women's issues... and that's like bad mouthing a specialty in biology because there are other areas of study.  Instead of study it's activism of some sort.  You don't seek out reasonable feminists, like me, to discuss actual world issues, you are just butthurt about women and the pendulum swing and whine whine whine, and we gather around to listen to the wounded animals moaning.
• I never called you a misogynist... don't get hurt, I'm sorry, I like handling delicate animals and I try not to break your fragile assumptions, really, give me another chance... tell me where it hurts.
• VIDEO NOTES
• Stephani took her video down as I was uploading mine, she had not seen mine.  Further, she apologized and I told her no problem.  In reality, it is a problem imo, but it's also a personal decision.
• The stuff about me wanting to get people to take videos down is baseless and offensive.  How about you take how I behave into account when analyzing my behavior.  To the contrary on that point.
• You liken my criticisms of points to the hate I'm talking about, I think you know the difference, it's stupid to act like a criticism is the same as violent rhetoric and threats.  What you identify as insults you have to put a lot of interpretation into, there is no "bitch blah blah blah" in my videos, and kind of fuck you for wasting my time without acknowledging that.  But then, evidently I hurt a lot of people by not agreeing with their take on things.  Oddly, I don't feel hurt at all when I'm the one criticized, and sometimes I feel better informed.
• you talk about the issue of is Stephanie MRA... in my video I acknowledge she classifies herself as a Gender Egalitarian or similar, thanks for noticing.
• twisting language: I find people say this when they discover words have more than one meaning, or they just don't like the result.  The rape culture is the culture of people that rape, or in some way advocate, or otherwise give aid and comfort to the former.  That's what the language already means, it doesn't fit with your complaint, so you don't like it.  Don't say it doesn't exist then, say it's not as wide... that Not All Men Are Like That.  You want to get away with your rigged terms, sorry.
• you are twisting the meaning of "culture" and acting like subcultures don't exists... the group of racists approve of rape, that's the group we start with.
• tell me if society accepts it... some subcultures accept, some repudiate.  And your argument that it's not "rape culture" if the mainstream rejects it... GUESS what?!?!? the mainstream rejects "all men are rapists" and "gendercide", so I guess you should shut up about the culture of feminism... oh well.  
• moderate catholics: would you say all catholics are conservative?
• you don't believe patriarchy, which you take to be the idea that all men are sociopaths... that's not a mainstream view... who believes all men are sociopaths... the radfem culture?  oh dears.
• I won't find the patriarchical attitudes in such a country eh?  Well, I showed a shitload of  prominant republicans with patriarchal attitudes, and I linked a frat caught yelling "no means yes, yes means anal" at the top of their lungs on campus... QED eos
• you ask is it good enough if most feminists don't hate men?  you are a hypocrite... is it good enough if most men are not consciously out to dominate women?  it cuts both ways genius.
• this is not a hang out group, this is an area of activism, and for people that want to change politics, it's not a hang out group, it's not an affinity group, it's an activism area.  To be a physicist doesn't mean agreeing with all physicists... that's not how it works.  Feminism is not rallied around hating men, it rally's aruond gender-based discrimination. 
• you don't believe in group think... perhaps when in a group, but you seem to believe in it outside the group.
• why were my comment to you less concialatory than my later vids... because I was bringing it back on coarse from my honest immediate reaction... however, I don't think that reaction was so bad, have no idea why it hurt so much.
• Let's look at the comments, as always, awesome comments from me!
• women and men have been oppressed, I acknowledge this, and you say I don't want to admit it.  Word Twisting.  My point is to look at the justifications... mostly men were oppressed economically along with their whole family suffering that oppression... secondarilly men have been oppressed by being drug off to war preferentially, but that itself is part of the patriarchy... the patriarch idolizes the warrior.
• feminism is not a primary area of activism for me, I merely appreciate the need for work in that area... primarilly I'm concerned with systematic economic oppression, atm.
• you argue men and women have issues, IN THE PRESENT, and yet you think the feminists should stop working on the women issues and the men's right activist... wait... what should they do again?
• you guys want to disagree with everything, you almost NEVER pick out something you could agree on, usually you appear to seek things to disagree on, even including trying to twist things you could agree with, like my description of oppression, and take it to a disagreement, pretending I have never thought men were oppressed for gender-based reasons.  What you REALLY REALLY miss is it's the so called patriarchy that gender-oppressed men... forcing men to compare to their ideals just as they force women, and both men and women are behind and in favor of the patriarchical attitudes.
• you talk about things like women getting the children, which is in the past dude, and is improving.  I'm very concerned about that, seems to be  getting better.
• you seem obsessed on the "men had it better"... I think men did not "have it better" as I fucking described... but I think the things that make it bad for men are one, mostly not gender based directly, two, when they are gender based are from the patriarchy (men must be warriors and dominators), and three, most feminist issues has to do with the role of women and men in individual relationships ("like no means yes")... so that although if you average the rights and treatment of women, statistically it can seem equal... the skew on the microscopice, individual, level, is clear, and needed/needs still to be rectified.  
• It's like you are bitter being called a rapist, but you don't understand why some women are bitter at being told by frats that no means yes and yes means anal.
• patriarchy is not a system motivated by hurting women, it actually thinks it's better for women to be in the roles they try to put her in, slut, princess, cleaner, etc... from this historical view this is just as much for the woman's good as anything else.  It does seem a bit self serving, but the roles assigned to men, while ostensibly better rewarded in terms of power, are not inherently better, say for someone that doesn't want to be a do minant warrior.
• The patriarchy is very much like the strict father family metaphor that Lakoff claims is behind conservative thinking.
• e.g. some woman might WANT to be treated like a sexual object and cleaner and she's happy as a clam.  As I said, and you ignored, the problem is the assignment of roles to people rather than letting people develop their own roles as individual participants in social systems.
• I admit women have real power... and you don't take it as potential agreement, you try to turn it into a disagreement... really it's what we smarter people like to call a clarification on my part.  Then you go off on "whatever, those were the exceptions, whatever... whatever"... the point is a little more important than that.  I am admitting over and over, and I have to assume you havn't noticed, that it's not about all women being lower than all men, this is mostly an bias at work within classes of an overlying class system, which itself is responsible for all manner of oppression and oppressive mind sets.
• if you were willing to find agreement we could make better mataphors for what patriarchy is... it's an emperical field study, what does it mean when the frats do this, the politicians do that, what is the real situation.  If RadFems want to act like rich women and poor women are both at the bottom of the larger social caste system, we could correct that. You act like you'd rather be butthurt about a minority opinion than invent a countermeasure, which is always in the form of a better model, a better metaphor.
• sometimes the husband is dominant, sometimes the wife, and the patriarchy is the social pressure for it to be or appear to be the husband genius.  OH, I'm telling you something you never heard of HUH?
• patriarchy has a lot of roles... the female partners of powerful men, for example, traditionally are given power.  wealthy women are educated before poor women, as in argentina iirc.
• we have different ideas of what patriarchy is, and also how we are trying to find out what it is.  I take the frat and republican examples... I see this kind of thing and see relations and gender bias in it... and I see to define that attitude... I name that attitude patriarchy and THEN I try to figure out the characteristics of the set I've identified, it's influence and so on.  I'm not investigating the subjugation of all women below all men because I already know that patriarchy is compatible with classism, and class is more important than gender, is used first, and gender second, allowing for special cases, like the monarch being a woman, because there is no man of her caste available.
• You put up a dictionary definition: READ THE MOTHERFUCKER, patriarchy is primarilly about Strict Father Familly Metaphor, well defined in the Moral Politics by Lakoff.  Your use of it is a distant second definition.
• when I say men don't have to go to war, I was talking about the West, remember... you guys love to say "in the west there is no need", but when I talk about having to go to war... suddently it's every culture.  But that implies you are saying it's justified to treat women badly in these countries... but perhaps you hadn't watched the part about kuwait yet... that should be funny.
• yes, in the us, for my whole life, men can say, "fuck this war I don't want to fight it"... the government has made moves to prove it's reserving the right of conscription... good luck with that, though I'm sure they'll try if we get a string of Republican Presidents with their warlike patriarchal attitude.
• I believe in role specialization, and it's the imposition of roles that are the problem, not what one person thinks of one role (it might suit them).  The system in question serves those that WANT TO PLAY A ROLE,   because it forces everyone else into their romantic view of things.
• quoting MRA and MRA statistics... why is that, you are not an MRA right?
• male military... who is it that just got american women the right to have combat roles... FEMINISTS... bwaahahhahahahah
• Kuwait: you say talk about the exception on the rule... I'm for women in an equal role in the military as a feminist, so bit me... radfem is the exception my friend.
• you don't even think in societies with gender oppression there is a place for feminism... cause those men do the dangerous jobs so alls fair... w T FUCK!?
• You say re feminism, "we're not in that time" and I say "we're not the in the time where patriarchy could be justified"... you my friend are hypocritical as fuck, and of course you bring up equal reproductive rights... that's bullshit... only women have babies, as a result only women have certain decisions about having babies... invent the male womb and get back to me fuckhead.  I think the right to abortion is the right to remove the fetus, if it can be put in an artificial womb or male womb (genetic engineering madness!), do it if you want.
• then you emphasize equal reproductive right saying that "reproductive rights" should be the same is assinine, and part of patriarchy, sorries... for reasons given above.  To grant you that "equal right" means a woman could be forced to have an abortion, or forced to carry a baby for almost a year... that violates individual medical rights we all should share, imo... and is a request to controll the body of another.  If a man could take the baby, then he ought to be allowed, and in that case the law would say the mother has to pay child support.
• the ballance of "roles" and the imposition of previously ballanced roles
• you say women have it equal or better, I disagree, I don't see the sororities out chanting "all sex is rape, all men are anal rapists"