- you seem to get the issue about first person awareness which I appreciate
- the example of parts of your own actions which are not conscious is interesting, but to me it simply reinforces the possibility that the intentionality, the execution of your will, relies on the will of others, namely the cells involved with the nitty gritty detail of that action. It's getting "excited" as the neurologists say... you are not conscious of it because by then it's its actions.
- I don't find paramecium creepy at all, they seem beautiful and graceful
- They look pretty complex to me
- I've showed video of them doing more complicated things.
- Nothing unliving can do that... it's significant.
- "Just typing" requires TRILLIONS of eukaryotic cells.
- Software can reproduce, is it alive?
- we agree on the colony of cells issue.
- cells are slaves... to what?
- you could turn OUR CONSCIOUSNESS off an still have a living body because a lot of the body is not involved in that and goes on.
- software replicates! I say again.
- you don't say what does allow it SEEMING to be some way.
- I think emotions are the "simple way" for things to reacts. "Ew" is good enough to back off after bumping into something
- I think you might be hung up on the pain-sensation...
- the "complexity" of paramecium... most of the history of life was unicellular, here look at some pictures.
- theaters don't come cheap... most of our evolution was getting to eukaryotic life... but anyway, I think it might come cheap thanks to simple physics tricks.
- making it special: I say consciousness happens in little bits all over, I'm not making it special, QED
- you misunderstand my goals, I'm not trying to use consciousness to make the universe special, I agree with your position from earlier, it makes the universe a bit more horrific, to know that all the insects eaten alive and the rest experience it, even if it is without pain as we know it... it's just realism on my part.
- plain and crude theme here
- re thinking aparatus, an abacus doesn't think on it's own.
- it senses light through cilia, it senses pressure through cilia, it brings chemicals in and out... and react to them... these are "means of sensation"...
- "it has to happen in something really complex"
- interesting, pain vs unpleasentness... doesn't need pain neurons, I called these "stress"
- google plants and stress
- distributed brain... centralized at the nucleus though.
- christians exercise their free thinking by deciding which parts of the Bible to read and reread.
Friday, February 8, 2013
reply to Gary on Humble Video On Consciousness
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