- It's not elitist to say your making a special place for humans by ignoring living behavior
- I said I could do at a mental exercise consciousness going down to all matter, but what I said I believe is just living cells have it.
- I am using consciousness and awareness interchangeably. I'll try to use awareness... I made this clear imo by talking about the hard problem, I'm saying there is a hard problem for all living things... I think awareness is the internal state causing intentionality in life. Sue me.
- You don't have to define the classification first: extentional analysis, you collect an acceptable step, you analysize it and test you analysis by seeing how it expands, restricts or fits the original set. Rinse and repeat.
- aware of "thoughts"... no, some thoughts you are talking about are human thoughts... I mean aware of the environment, conscious of, not self-conscious (conscious of the self).
- the neural system is something YOUR awareness depends on... that's not the issue... the paramecium's awareness is based on its metabolism. The belief it is aware is because it seems aware, of constrains, temperature, salinity, being pursued, pursuing.
- you say it's not fed up some microtubules but this part isn't controversial between us, is it? it's fed up through the neurons, which internally are using microtubules to behave.
- you are suprised you had to say it? you honestly don't see why I see awareness in microbial life? intentionality?
- free will vs will power. People are unclear on this, I don't think they are saying that will is totally free yea!
- I see a lot of will in subconscious thought... and I think the neurons know what they are doing, but it's not cohered into our consciousness.
- our consciousness is clearly made of a network... if the network units are also aware, I wouldn't expect to see them exactly the same in capability.
- I don't like the "why should you have to tell me?" approach. I interpret the ability to focus conscious mind as going around amplifying what's already going on in the noise when I'm not putting energy into it.
- I'll try to use awareness... but I don't think the word consciousness is so well defined that it can't be used loosely.
Friday, February 8, 2013
to gratex on consciousness
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